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immigration system it cannot be what it is destined to be. >> a few days after the election when the republicans looked at the figures from the president how mitt romney had done with hispanic voters, there was like a 44-point gap. they said we need to do something aggressive on immigration. but it wasn't a couple weeks. republicans couldn't agree on what needs to be done, the fervor seemed to have already cooled. how do you get your own party on the same page, let alone bring on democrats? >> i disagree. i don't think that's what is happening. what is happening, the concept of immigration reform, there is a lot of consensus. the details of immigration reform need to be examined. i'll give you an example. we have millions of people waiting to come here legally and they come to my office and say we have done it the right way, waited, paid the fees, but you are telling me if i came here illegally it would have been faster? it didn't seem right. that is the kind of debate we are going to have. on the ag worker-guest worker, there are labor unions that are not in favor of a guest wor
lost. that was your position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john boehner is doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, he's not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top
would describe them. >> what's the biggest proposal you put on the table since the election in terms of raising revenue from closing loopholes and deductions? >> there's a lot of ways to get there, but you could cap deductions at a percent of income. that would be one way to get there. you could eliminate deductions for the wealthiest. >> let me ask you a couple specifics. would you limit the home mortgage deduction? >> there are a lot of options. i'm not going to debate this. >> really? not going to debate this? so he specifically did not say no on the home mortgage deduction. didn't do that. that's the biggest write off that middle class americans have. nor any specifics on loopholes. give us just one loophole, mr. boehner. can't you get one? our tax code is how many thousands of pages and you can't give us one loophole? well, on tv and on paper, republicans refuse to offer details about just how they are going to get all this revenue. timothy geithner explained why the republicans can't sell the specifics of their plan. >> if republicans would like to go beyond these reforms, they
the election you said that you would be able to provide tax hikes. is that still the case? >> listen, raising taxes on small businesses is not going to help our economy and it's not going to help those seeking work. i came out the day after the election. but revenue is on the table to take a step towards the president to try to resolve this. when is he going to take a step towards us? >> do you see some way that you could agree to tax rate increase and protect mall businesses at the same time, maybe going with 37% or some middle ground -- >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table. but none of it is going to be possible if the president insists on his position, insists on my way or the highway. that's not the way to get to an agreement that i think is important for the american people and very important for our economy. thanks. >> okay. spook speaker john boehner there making a statement after the jobs report came out. maxine waters is still with us and was listening to the speaker and what he said. what is your reaction to what he
crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted the solution to our problems were more tax cuts. president clinton handed him a $236 billion surplus. a surplus. and left office with a $1.2 trillion deficit. but he just had to keep those tax cuts coming, but something remarkable may be happening in our politics. we're on the verge of something big. after decades of silliness, this lock-step republican fantasy that has hurt our country, president obama is close to breaking the gop tax unity. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. you know, he talks, for example, about
years answering the same question. but right after the election, we sent a plan to the president where we gave revenues but looking for spending cuts. and he took three weeks to come back to us. he has gone on still on the campaign trail, still working through. but you have to understand, republicans have not waited to solve this problem and sat back. in the summer, we passed a bill that froze the rates, and passed it. it sat in the senate. we believe we want to solve this problem. we think this is our moment. this is our time. >> is the moment -- does it come down to this, where you would say, look, we'll give you higher marginal tax rates if we get something significant on spending, medicare, in return? >> it doesn't solve the problem. if the president is asking for higher ratings, he is asking for more revenue. most economists agree the best way to get that is through closing special loopholes. and when you close those, it makes a fair tax process. so people invest on the return, not invest based upon what the irs says. >> senator durbin, the opening position, as i sort of gleaned i
enough to end this month on a high note? to cap off his election win and get a clean start on his second term. a victory for the president would look like this -- get that top income tax rate up. make minimal concessions on entitlement cuts and get it done before the end of this month, avoid that cliff. this week the president said talk on a partial deal on taxes alone will not cut it with him. >> there have been reports that perhaps the republicans go ahead and let the middle class tax cuts get extended, the upper income tax cuts go up, otherwise we don't get a deal and next year we come back. i have to just tell you, that's -- that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. chris: he wants a pretty good deal, a lot of things in it. when he sits down in that room with he and boehner, it's come down to the two of them, are both looking at the fact that obama won the election and he should get a tilt in his discretion, a 60-40 deal? >> i think boehner is a realist and when he said things like bahama care is the law of the
of refers appear to have forgotten something happened in november 2012 called a presidential election. >> right. it was an election in which president obama, unprecedented for a democrat, actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the top 2% and he was re-elected resoundingly with it. to what ron said, if it's only $14 trillion, what's the big deal, go ahead and let the rich pay it? that's number one. number two, the other thing that's been exposed and what's true, what's always been true about conservativism is that the core principle is the rich don't pay too much, they pay too little. when they say things like broaden the tax base, they think it's a moral hazard to have a progressive tax code. you want a flatter tax code for those with less money pay more into the system. republicans have tried to talk around that because that's anç unpopular thing to tell your tea party base, middle class people, no, we think lower income people and middle income people should pay more. but when we strip away all the rhetoric about job creators and the rest
up today senator sherrod brown, big winner for re-election in ohio even though the super pac spent billions of dollars against him. well maybe not billions but millions and millions against him. sherrod brown is going to tell us how he did it. tuesdays, think progress igor volsky from think progress here with us later in this hour. lynn sweet washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times" as a "friend of bill." lots of fun coming up. lots of important stuff to talk about including a bogus proposal by john boehner yesterday. on the fiscal cliff. but first... >> announcer: this is the "full court press." >> on this tuesday other headlines making news, the most eagerly awaited pregnancy in recent times was announced yesterday. duchess kate middleton pregnant with what would be the third in line to the british throne. child of prince william. he and kate have been married for 19 months. kate was admitted to the hospital yesterday suffering from acute morning sickness. she needed extra hydration and nutr
area of national defense. and the election was nearly a month ago, but many states are still tallying their ballots. the united states election project is gathering some of that data and as found 28 states are reporting their official and final results. according to that samples size 59% of eligible voters cast their ballots this november and in nevada .6% voted for none of the above in the presidential race. >> that's the only state allowing that option. be right back. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] [ music ] >> broadcasting across the nation, on your radio and on current tv this is "the b
's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been short on specifics. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> the same exact policies. >> this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks. >> you can't be serious. >> chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. >> get serious. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> be prepared for the plunge. >> i would say we're know where know where. >> there's clearly a chance. >>> today, john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan finally kind of sort of responded to the president's budget proposal, a proposal of their own that they were so unmarried to that they didn't put their names on it. they said the whole thing was erskine bowles idea. they summarized the testimony that the bill clinton chief of staff last year gave about what he thought might kind of be a workable budget deal way back then. because bowles is a democrat, the republicans thought they he could try to pretend that agreeing with a sing
, santa claus is coming to town ♪ >> so he won't win the grammy but he did win the big one on election night and that's what counts to a lot of us in america. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> knives out on the right. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. when a party loses an election, the knives come out. right now we're watching the night of the long knives on the right. these stories breaking tonight. right wing senator jim demint, the man behind too many failed right wing senate challengers, christine "i'm not a witch" o'donnell, richard mourdock announced today he's quitting the senate to run the hard right heritage foundation. meanwhile, in the republican house a purge is under way with speaker boehner dumping uncontrollable right wingers from prize committee assignments. they're out because they're too right. so what is too right for the republicans following the defeat this week or their defeat last month? is voting nay in the senate against a handicap rights treaty be
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think we'll have enormous support. >> is it fair to go to republicans, many of whom were re-elected just like the president was re-elected in their own districts and say, look, we're going to get specific when it comes to the tax increases we want, but we'll be vague when it comes to stuff that's hard for our side, which is medicare. >> that's a misperception. we propossessed $600 billion in savings. people can take a careful look at them. what we haven't seen from the republicans is a plan to raise rates and revenues. they said they are prepared to raise revenues. but they haven't said how, how much, or who should pay, and haven't proposed what they need on the spending side. we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. and then we have to look at it and see if it makes sense for the american people. >> when you look at the economy overall, growth at 2.7% last quarter. how does the economy get out of this slump? what is our economy doing well right now? what are we not doing as well as a country to deal with our economy? >> good question. the economy now is actually looking
's no more mr. nice guy approach is the wrong approach. >> i think they won the election, must have foregotten republicans continue told the majority in house to. but, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> top republicans used words like stalemate and nowhere to go describe the current state of play. others within their party are taking it one step further telling americans they should be prepared for the punch. >> i thank the president and tim geithner for re-energizing the republican caucus. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. >> with both sides looking like they are dig in but cementing in and the calendar page ticking down what does it take to play let's make a deal. >> let's see how big yours is versus mine in the earnings of their plans. >> everybody should just go to sleep, wake up on december 14th when there's about a week to go and then you'll start seeing the serious stuff come up. >> we've all been trying to game t
out saying oh, barack obama, he bought votes, i would have won the election if he wouldn't have bought the votes. that's the logo of a guy who just makes excuses. >> so between the change of heart and all the interviews he's doing and the aspiring acting career, some people are saying that it's possible, just possible, that eric is doing all of this just to get attention. >> they couldn't be more correct. of course. who gets a tattoo on their face and isn't looking for attention? >> very thought provoking although perhaps not universally true. like maybe if somebody got a tattoo on their face that said i'm shy. in any event, if it was attention he was looking for, he definitely got it although the romney tattoo will soon fade into nothing but a cheeky memory, eric's place on the "ridiculist," that i promise you, is permanent. that does it for us. see you again one hour from now. erin burnett's "outfront" starts now. >>> 28 days away, what does it take for a deal? and the use of chemical weapons will bring an immediate reaction from the community. our panel, we'll ask them if the
to win the presidentee again, george w. bush was really a recluse. i think now that the election is over the republicans lost. he wants to have a role in one of his causes. immigration is a passion he shares with his brother jeb, former governor of florida who is thinking of his own political future and possibly a white house run and wants to help in the reset of the republican party which will include taking a serious look at actually finally engaging on immigration reform. jon: fair to say hispanics did not exactly flock to mitt romney this time around. george w. bush did pretty well with them both four years ago and eight years ago. >> reporter: very well, he got about 41% in his last election, that is a number republicans are going to have to meet in order to win the demographics of a presidential run and get a coalition that gets you the map to win the white house. 71-27, which it was this time is not going to get you the white house. you have to be upwards of 40%, possibly in future years higher than that. and george bush, with his compassionate conservatism, his texas heritage, th
and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very, very strong about do not touch the entitlements, we're not going to move on this. so you have the president not moving on rates. you have your caucus moving on entitlements. although you said the democratic leadership -- you said you could support means testing for medicare. what does that mean and how far are you willing to go. >> first of all, social security is off the table. there are not only 42 members in the congressional bla
a whole month to digest that election day data, where you'll find those who voted for every presidential winner since 1956. that's in today's deep dive. i'm chuck todd feeling a little clogged up as you might hear. the fiscal cliff counteroffer has one thing in common. the differences between the new republican plan and what the white house proposed are stark when it comes to taxes. the gop calls for $800 million in new taxes. it's half of what the white house asked for. republicans to $67 billion. the gop plan changes how security benefits would be calculated. why he favors tax rates instead of eliminating deductions. not enough revenue. less revenue equals more cuts in education. republicans ruled that out saying the new revenue would not be achieved through higher tax rates which we continue to oppose. they were referring to an erskine bowles plan that he testified to in the fall of 2011. the white house made it clear that's a nonstarter and they won't even respond until the gop puts forth a plan that includes a tax rate hike. the obstacle continues to be republicans who hold out hope
that say we're putting revenue on the table, the american people did that when they elected, you know, the president and a democratic senate again. again, they have to agree to a deal or tax rates on everybody go up. i think we should do everything we can to avoid that for as many people as we possibly can. >> so far, four house gop members, as we said, john boehner has booted them from key committees for going against leadership. you're obviously the deputy whip. you are part of leadership. you have challenged john boehner. i mean, what you put out there, it may sound -- may sound very normal and calm and compromise-filled to many. but perhaps to him, it's a little bit of a slap in the face. have you talked to him about it directly? >> yeah, of course. i mean, look, i deal with the speaker on a regular basis. and he knows, look, i'm never going to undercut him and he knows when the tough votes come, and they're going to come, that i'll be there to try and support him and help him. so he's not going to scold me because i offered in private, you know, my advice that was solicited and t
's always a joke when anybody talks about wielding more power out of elective office as a civilian than in elective office. it's a real help to the republicans in the senate because he has cost them the senate. he has done more damage to the senate and most especially to republicans in the senate than anyone else. he has backed these crazy, nutty tea parties who have gutted the republican nomination for senate in various states around the country, and then he went on to lose to democrats thereby preserving the democratic control of the senate, preserving harry he reed therei. he had become an absolute disaster within his own party. the big cheer today is in the republican caucus saying, finally, we're getting rid of our absolute craziest nut. >> very good. we congratulate them for that. another thing, lawrence, that happened today is governor bobby jindal wrote an op-ed in politico and he said, at present any reading the headlines over the past week indicates that republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for senior. it may be possible to have worse political positio
of sorts. the republican party has been losing it's steam since the 2010 elections which was the high watermark for the party. you may say the debt ceiling fight when the tea party prevented a deal from happening. they managed to reelect a decent amount of tea party members but they knocked off alan weathers, walsh, and mack in florida. this is perhaps a symptom of the tea party's diminishing influence, but it's also an identity struggle, and how do they stay meaningful. >> jennifer: who decides who replaces dick army, is that that a koch brothers' decision? >> i think what you will see board members there who are rich conservative donors, movers and shakers that individually is paying dick army's $8 million parachute which is worth noting. they are the folks who will decide who will replace dick army. >> jennifer: who is that? >> a fellow named stevenson he runs cancer centers of america around the country. he is on the freedom works board. another influential person, these are the types of folks who are going to pick army's successor. it's a big decision. army was the face of freedo
if republicans don't change the way they do business they may be on the losing end of elections for years to come. plus, the black helicopter crowd is at it again. republicans in the senate reject a united nations treaty to ban discrimination against the disabled. they say it would allow u.n. officials to come into this country and force home-schooled children into government-run, that is public schools. senator john kerry joins us to cut through the nonsense. >>> also tonight, the simpson's mr. burns gives us a rich man's look at the fiscal cliff. >> think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> never too early for pollsters to start head to 2016. guess who's looking very strong? hillary clinton. a new abc news/washington post poll say they would back hillary clinton. it's helpful no one has run a campaign against clinton for the past four years and also helping her numbers is 68% approve of the job she's done as secretary of state for this count
there after the election. he says if there's something worse going on, he can't see it. >> i think there's a marked difference between this negotiation and what took place two summers, i guess, ago between speaker boehner and the president when frankly i thought the white house did a poor job of its advocacy for its own position. this is different. it's as if they learned i lesson. they're digging in deeply this time around. they have the wind at their back because of an election result. it's a strategy. as you mentioned he's campai campaigning today. it's like the campaign didn't end. >> chris, let me bring you in. a lot of people talk about this latest interview with secretary geithner. let me play a little bit of what he had to say regarding the fiscal cliff and the threat that looms. let me play it. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of
in washington, d.c. i bet you if you could hold another election in january if they allow that to happen, republicans would lose control of the house. i think this is going to be their downfall and i believe more and more republicans privately understand that. and they're worried. they're worried. i don't think politically they can afford to stick to their guns and if they do, you know, they're going to pay the price. victoria is in warwick rhode island. good morning. >> caller: hi, how are you? >> bill: i'm good. what's your point this morning? >> caller: my point is i'm sick and tired of their domination. you know? >> bill: yeah. and they lost the election, right, victoria? >> caller: i know. but they still -- this is all about domination. they want to call the shots. and it's time for them to get kicked to the curb! if not into the middle of the street! [ laughter ] you know? this baloney. they have been so destructive for the last four years. not only that, so insulting to our own president. we've never b
and new election would have to be called in 30 days of that happening. some analysts say his choice is not a shoo-in. >> what you need to consider here the opposition is strong position in venezuela. they did exactly well in the october elections. they are in a prime position to exploited the crisis in the regime. i don't think maduro is a shoo-in necessarily. >> he added if he were to be elected president of venezuela he would be as every bit as bad as u.s. ever since chavez took over venezuela his country as taken on a steady anti-american tone. he developed friendships with some of the world's worst dictators. no now, at least publicly chavez appears to be up for the continuing battling with cancer telling his people, quote, with god's will we will come out of this victorious. i have faith in that. that is a quote from chavez. >> gregg: arthel nevil, thanks. >> heather: as we mentioned we have just learned that president obama and house speaker john boehner met today at the white house to talk about ways to resolve the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, we have brand-new reaction from lawm
is back with us tonight and looks at a couple of the top republican contenders for the next election cycle. >> as the republicans digest mitt romney 2019 defeat, former running mate paul ryan and surrogate marco rubio the florida u.s. senator are openly joking about and already testing message for the 2016 g.o.p. race for the presidential nomination. >> see you at the reunion dinner, table for two. do you know any diners in iowa? >> thank you for your invitation in iowa and new hampshire. i will not stand by and watch people of south carolina ignored. >> rubio received the second annual jack kemp foundation award last night. ryan a kemp protege received the first award last year. ryan mentioned fighting poverty 15 times last year and distanced himself from the romney infamous remark of the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes. >> both parties tend to divide americans to our voters and their voters. let's be clear. republicans must steer far clear of that crap. >> rubio emphasizeed expanding the g.o.p. big tent and describing voters will determine the future of the country and the g.o.p.
this last election. now the republicans have moved toward him with a plan that acknowledges that they are going to give up some revenues. they want to do it through tax reform. he wants it it through rate hikes. so, look, there's movement. the fact that there's movement should be an encouraging thing for investors and anybody worried about solving problems. but until they move all the way there, and that's the trick, negotiations are all fine and good until you shake hands on the deal. >> let me play for you what another congressman said this morning. >> for republicans to do everything possible to shield the millionaires and ba billionaires from that tax increase is the reason that we are stuck. the moment they let go of that, we have a deal. >> so, again, going back to that original point s. there any way that you see negotiation going where tax rates rise on the wealthy and the republicans say, okay? it's hard to imagine given what the president campaigned on and it was the one singular thing that he repeated again and again and again on the campaign trail, jim, that he w
campaigned for re-election on the idea of a, quote, balanced approach, end quote, to deficit reduction, a mixture of tax increases and spending cuts. here's the plan that the republicans say you presented to them. >> i can tell you what i presented. it will be helpful. >> chris: let me -- >> it is our plan, let me do it. let me explain it. >> chris: i'd like to ask you about this part of it and you can tell me. >> okay. >> chris: $1.6 trillion in tax increases. more than $80 billion in new stimulus spending, next year, and, unspecified nonguaranteed spending cuts. question, is that your idea of balance. >> it is, let me explain what is in the explain they didn't report to you and explain, to people, which is, we propose alongside the trillion dollars in spending cuts we agreed with republicans, last year, on defense and a range of other government programs, proposed $600 billion of detailed reforms and savings, to our health care and other government programs, that is $600 billion. in fact, the health care savings in that plan, are larger than the plans we have seen republicans in the
spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and lost the house. now he gets re-elected with less strength, not against a war hero but a guy from massachusetts, and the republicans have the house and he thinks somebody made him king and he's going to have more taxes, more spending, and more regulations. it's a real problem for him. he doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does. so i think he takes us over the cliff because he doesn't -- he's got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> okay. there are a couple things to unpack here. i want to go back to this question -- i think what i'm confused about is this kind of game of smoke and mirrors that seems to be playing out on the right. and i ask you again, is closing a loophole and ending a deduction the same thing as raising taxes? >> you have to look at the whole package. i mean i would think if you're going to -- and the other key thing here is, anybody -- >> is that a no? >> you have to -- first you have to look at the whole package and find out what's in it. to sit here and shoot at negotiating strategie
stole the election. it's kind of funny but to nearly half believe it, it's scary, just like that boogieman that doesn't exist. thank for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> scaring the republicans. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're getting somewhere with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%.ç better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect
the establishment. fed up after the republican party's loss in the election. some members of the gop are pushing former congressman j.c. watts to run for chairman. but a lot of people in the party don't seem too hot on the idea. a leader tells our peter hamby he had no prayer. roland martin warns that responses like that could backfire. he writes even if they choose not to vote for watts, if he decides to even seek the job, it is his skin color and perspective. that is strl to the central to the gop having any sort of presidential future. "out front" tonight, c.j. watts. let me ask you point blank, what do you think about what roland martin had to say, what the party has to respond to you even considering running, thinking about race? >> well, erin, i don't necessarily believe that the answer is to take a black face and put him in the chairmanship at the rnc or female or hispanic or asian ornatetive americ nati. i think it's bigger than that. i think we have to surround ourselves, at the rnc and throughout the party, we have to understand diversity. diversity is not a bad word. i take a biblical
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